[FISHCHRIS]

i seem to notice after tying on my hook,that the last bit of my fluoro leader looks messed up when i'm done snugging up my knot. i only seem to notice this when using 4#,6# or 8# line weights of fluoro?does anyone else seem to notice this? i have used a couple of different brands like berkley,seaguar and maxima but it seems to happen with all of them. tell me what ya think.

[NADO]

It sounds like theres too much friction in your knot. Rather than listening to us try to eplain how to tie the knot properly I would suggest just going to the fishing store and show an employee how you are tying the knot and they can fi it for you.

[Garfield the Cat]

Just before you tighten the knot, wet it wit spit. Lol. I find if I don't sometimes it breaks when I pull tight. Try the spit an let us know what happens.

[grubman]

Garfield the Cat, on 29 November 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

Just before you tighten the knot, wet it wit spit. Lol. I find if I don't sometimes it breaks when I pull tight. Try the spit an let us know what happens.

Yup, spit is the best lube...........lol. Always spit on line makes knots tight. Last time I was at Bass Pro, they had their own brand of fluoro. Anyone try it yet? It's cheaper then the brand names.

[georgianbaydrifter]

grubman, on 29 November 2011 - 01:29 AM, said:

Yup, spit is the best lube...........lol. Always spit on line makes knots tight. Last time I was at Bass Pro, they had their own brand of fluoro. Anyone try it yet? It's cheaper then the brand names.

the two pound we run up here is from there its called bionic ice made by northland tackle co. its straight goods

[RiverNinja]

You need some lube!
-Seriously though.. Just need to add some spit so that the line doesn' t heat up when you tighten up the knot.

[grubman]

georgianbaydrifter, on 29 November 2011 - 02:28 AM, said:

the two pound we run up here is from there its called bionic ice made by northland tackle co. its straight goods

I tried to search on Bass site, can't find it. They might not list everything. I noticed the price of fluoro has been dropping to near mono price. Correction, same price less line, means it's still expensive but attainable in small quantities. Is there a situation where fluoro is necessary to justify the high cost and benefits over heavier mono? Mostly I run 4-6 lb mono on ultra light rods and have out fished others. I don't even use the braided lines b/c they cost too much and they eat away your rod guides.

Not much bang for the bucks when it comes to fluoro and braided. I'll have to check out the Sail grand opening for deals, if none then wait for the bass pro spring sale. I personally like mono maybe I'd catch more with the others, there's no way to know for sure.

Fish I see some of the reviews say the same thing with the fluoro on bass pro site.

[staffman]

I hope the 2 lb. test is used for ice fishing only and that your not killing steelhead with it.

[christotheashto]

staffman, on 29 November 2011 - 09:59 AM, said:

I hope the 2 lb. test is used for ice fishing only and that your not killing steelhead with it.

If you're hitting smaller tribs I don't think there's anything wrong with using a light lead. That said, on MOST tribs I think 2lb is a LITTLE on the light side, I use 4lb test for all river fishing and can land any fish in a reasonable (and safe) period of time with my 15' rod.

[FISHCHRIS]

i guess i'm not using enough spit/lube when snuuging up my knot,just need to put a little more.just seems like the fluorocarbon has bad memory characteristics to it.

[point defiance]

flourocarbon is a much stiffer line so that squiggly end can happen. besides it being a little imperfect looking though, I'm sure the knot strength is still pretty strong. try using the trilene knot. I find it works better for me.

[Luke]

That's likely your problem. I noticed the same when I started using it for leaders (this past weekend ) I had to re-tie the first knot a few times as the knot either wouldn't tighten or when it did the line looked awful. Once I started gobbing enough saliva on it I've had no isssues. Went 5 for 7 with the 4 lb leader and the two I lost spit the hook because I drifted off into space and didnt set the hook well.

[CJR]

point defiance, on 29 November 2011 - 03:24 PM, said:

flourocarbon is a much stiffer line so that squiggly end can happen. besides it being a little imperfect looking though, I'm sure the knot strength is still pretty strong. try using the trilene knot. I find it works better for me.

x2

[Spinninreel]

Lately I have been tying what is called the fishing fool knot which apparently beat out all the other knots ( I think I saw this on knot wars). I find that this knot does make my leaders a little sqiggly even with a little spit, but when i tested the knot for myself, it was a very strong knot.
As to using mono, there is a big difference in line visibility from mono to floro that cannot be denied, so for that reason alone, go with the floro leader.

[georgianbaydrifter]

staffman, on 29 November 2011 - 09:59 AM, said:

I hope the 2 lb. test is used for ice fishing only and that your not killing steelhead with it.

LOL... dude i dont know how much steelheeding experience you have b/c you posted asking if fish are still in bronte or back in the lake? probably 50 percent of them winter over in large pools up stream waiting for spring to spawn, but thats another discussion. these fish travel in some cases hundreds of kms bashing through shallow, rocky, log strewn creeks. then chase eachother around jockying for spawning position. THEN they dig redds and guard their nest for a week or so, AND THEN they travel back to the lake.THESE ARE STEELHEAD not muskies... do you really think playing a fish on light line effects them that much? many times i have seen or been seen fighting a fish for ten minutes releasing it only to have that EXACT fish bite within 20 mins. ARE YOU FOR REAL? any steelheader worth thier weight knows the rod fights the fish not the line. MY standard leader is 6 lb seaguar abrazzX .205costs 20 bucks for 200 yrds thats 10 cents a yard pretty good line too not as good as blue label but close, but when you see fish dodging your presentation b/c they see it coming this becomes shot line and a little piece of something around .16mm-.14mm goes on and the fish gets attatched to the end of that. but pls keep running your 8 pound in the gin we dont need any more fish getting dropped on their heads or flopping on the bank just for a picture.

just for giggles does anyone know how far it is from wasaga beach to the dam at earl j rowe provincial park.....following the river of course. probably the farthest run the fish make in ontario

[georgianbaydrifter]

my buddy with 8 pound fresh GB steel taken with .16 mm leader on spinning gear to boot. caught and released after a five minute fight on sunday low clear water at last light. good genetics to see for up here. my third skunking on the home trib in past little while, he always gets the best of me up here exluding Bighead but i smash him on the Lake O tribs. good times and great fish thats what its all about.[attachment=8765:387097_10150981969545261_619645260_21724064_1494740701_n.jpg]

[Luke]

The rod does make a huge difference when using a light leader, I use an old fenwick legacy 12'6 and its such a buggy whip that I think I could land a steelhead on a strand of hair. I still only go down to 4lb floro leader. its a mental thing/ confidence when fighting fish.

The downside is the lack of backbone can prolong a fight, but despite this I have landed most of my steel within a couple minutes. Heck I even landed a 20lb carp in Lake O on this setup with 6lb mainline when I didnt bring my carp gear on a trip . Its about knowing how to fight them and then after the fight giving them a chance to revive. I dont care if my hand are wet, slimy, and cold, I am going to give the fish the time it needs to revive and go back.

I wouldnt recomend someone starting out using 2 or 4 lb leader, I know I didnt, but once you have more experience there is no negative effects of using these.

[georgianbaydrifter]

old school fenwick is where its at for running light leaders, my first float rod was original HMX 12'6" what a great rod not quite as whippy as legacy but still lots of flex. what do you think about torpedoeing fish back in? its hard to judge how much strength a brand of leader will have before using it take drennan .18mm (3lb) for example the stuff is tow rope.

[Luke]

I remember the tv hosts torpedoing fish saying it gives them a rush of oxygen, personally I would only even consider it in a boat with a fish that was brought in quickly, which is when I think they would do it. Even then I dont like it too much.

In a boat if it doesnt work at least the fish would stay near the surface and you boat over to it and revive it, in a river its usually too shallow and if the fish gets in the current you will never get a second shot at reviving it, it will just drift downstream and die.

My 0.02