Posted 06 March 2017 - 01:01 PM
Roe is an effective bait.
Small sacrifice though when compared to maybe 1000's of ripe females both steel and salmon removed from systems.
I honestly feel possession of these hens should be illegal.
Anyone caught with these hens would make charges black and white for authorities.
Just my view.
We all have our opinions.
No roe means no roe.
Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:21 PM
How many years back was it when you can harvest 2+ steelhead with a sport license?
Posted 06 March 2017 - 04:01 PM
Can't say for sure.
Getting old quick.
Posted 06 March 2017 - 04:09 PM
I need my 150 lbs of salmon. Lol
Posted 06 March 2017 - 05:12 PM
Any half decent steelheader and salmon fisherman knows quite well.
enlighten us.... there is no way of knowing what comes from a farm fish to what comes from a wild fish
Posted 06 March 2017 - 05:18 PM
As long as it's allowed and within limits...I'm cool with people keeping roe. I try out different lures and baits for fish. I mostly use flies but nothing wrong with using roe once in a while.
Posted 06 March 2017 - 06:10 PM
Wow, you must really know a lot!
As any half decent steelheader and salmon fisherman knows quite well!
I really don't understand your objective.
If your some how thinking your supporting Flyer and Swing .
Believe me they are quite capable of backing their own views.
I've been on this site just over a year And I'm first to admit we sometimes enjoy disputing each others views.
Difference being it's taken over a year and I always have respect for their views.
We are all on this site to hopefully educate and yes sometimes be educated.
No one knows it all.
Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:05 PM
im no longer a float fisherman, let alone a roe fisherman, im pretty well 100% fly fishing on the creeks. i can see roes value to some people as a use for bait. but do know its not needed. seems most people i run into now are using beads.
Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:27 PM
im no longer a float fisherman, let alone a roe fisherman, im pretty well 100% fly fishing on the creeks. i can see roes value to some people as a use for bait.
but do know its not needed. seems most people i run into now are using beads.
But keep the float rod.
Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:58 PM
But keep the float rod.
i still have it, haven't used it in 4 years. but its there collecting dust
Posted 08 March 2017 - 08:24 PM
To me this sounds like blaming one group or another for diminishing returns...its the meat hunters, the roe users, europeans, asians, etc. The truth is that there are too many people period. Humans pollute and destroy fish habitat through farming, mining, sewage discharge, not to mention catching fish.
It's hard to have your cake and eat it too. The govt wants our license fees but yet doesnt do enough to maintain sustainable fishing. If the point is to increase numbers and to maintain fishing (+revenues), habitat needs to be protected and more fish stocked. If we have good numbers, who cares how they are caught.
Posted 09 March 2017 - 05:12 PM
My point is the unneeded act of keeping ripe hens to obtain the roe.
Plenty of licensed roe sellers out there.
No need to remove these fish which haven't dropped yet.
Posted 10 March 2017 - 03:12 PM
On a little side note about roe and spawning fish, They open the season right near the end of the Spring steel run and yet the day it opens the rivers are full of people walking down.
I live on a river and before the season opens I can spot fish running easy but once it opens it's like they go super stealth.
I agree with not harvesting females but I also think another factor is fishermen walking the rivers right after the spawn.
Posted 10 March 2017 - 03:30 PM
Starting to think catching was the most important thing on this forum.
And your absolutely right on watching where your walking.
Smaller rivers like Ganny the credit , Pretty.
There's no reason for being in the water.
NP landing steel from the bank.
Posted 10 March 2017 - 04:50 PM
But, I dont think banning roe is the magic ticket to help our runs recover. Way more factors than a few fish being retained. Maybe get out there and pitch in instead of whining on the internet
Posted 10 March 2017 - 05:00 PM
I'm talking banning possession of ripe hens.
Steel or Salmon.
Sadly not just a few ripes being harvested.
Enough sadly to make your efforts redundant.
I'm totally behind your efforts.
But I'll never condone harvesting ripe hens.
Posted 10 March 2017 - 05:15 PM
How does one prove roe in possession has been legally purchased or just harvested?Pretty much impossible.
Posted 10 March 2017 - 05:57 PM
Your such an involved environmentalist.
Yet you don't have the balls to suggest to people to please don't keep ripe hens ?
Explain that to me.
Posted 10 March 2017 - 06:59 PM
Heres a couple reasons that I base my opinion on. Not that I feel the need to validite it, but so others can make their own decisions.
1 you need diversified stock of both males and females to further the strain. Bonk all males and then a fewer number of males get to breed, making it easier for the "less genetically successful" males to pass on their genes.
2 these are an introduced fish not native here aand with less focus from MNRF. If people get turned off of steelheading their will be less proponents of steelhead initiatives. Less stocking, less enforcement, etc. There is a dollar value associated with river fishing and is seen in that respect by the ministry. If there is no money being generated by them the mnr wont care. Keep people fishing them.
3 I believe retention of fish is part of fishing. Take out the harvesting of fish and then we are just using animals for our enjoyment and PETA and other animal rights groups will have a field day
Obviously their is impact from retention but I dont think " c&r of ripe loose hens" is the answer. Reduction of limits? Tag system with a finite amount of tags? More c&r zones? Yes i think that would be beneficial. Not alienting anglers
Posted 10 March 2017 - 07:28 PM
Don't spew the politics please.
We're not bonking males.
We're harvesting ripe females.
Just like humans.
No females mean.No reproduction.
Your right on the non native.
And numbers stocked are down because of the unicorn Atlantic program.
Ditch the Atlantic program and steel stocks will again increase.
To take the heat off themselves MNR reduced limits from 5-2.Hoping to hide the dramatic drop in returns.
Clear how that turned out.